Comments on: A response from my representatives

By: Bill Ziss

Bill Ziss — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:02:55 +0000

Wagner’s reasoning has some major problems:

1) Wagner provides no factual support any sort of relationship between Sunday sales and a “decline of society”. Wagner reasoning here is fuzzy headed, lazy, and crude. He obviously was not a philosophy major.

2) The so-called “decline of society” is a myth. I’m 42. In my life, I have witnessed various changes in society. Yes, some trends have been for the worse. Even more, IMHO, have been major improvements. Many people fall prey to a cognitive bias the idealizes the past. Wagner is one of them.

3) It’s absurd to think that repealing this law will make acquiring alcohol easier for alcoholics. Alcoholics can get all of the alcohol they want. The law only inconveniences everyone else.

4) Wagner’s justification involves religion. Our government and body of law is purely secular. There are many that do not hold religious beliefs and do not look to religious doctrine for moral guidance. His religious presumptions de-legitimize his position right out of the gate.

The real reason Ohio legislators will repeals this law is that the level-headed legislators in Ohio don’t see enough political payoff in repealing this law to justify the political hassle of fighting the religious activists. Simple as that. I predict that we’ll go to our graves before this law is repealed.

Thanks for raising the point, though. If you want to start a political action committee, I’ll be the first to join!

By: cathy

cathy — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:50:05 +0000

you’re a delinquent. glad i live out west, where apparently we are deteriorating much more quickly than you because we can buy any alcohol on sundays. you should just move west. you’d fit in better

By: DaveJ

DaveJ — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:04:22 +0000

Just what I would expect from politicians/attorneys. Not very good logical reasoning. Definitely cannot correctly correspond cause and effect. They are using their own preconceived ideas to reach the desired result. As a creature of thought and ability to plan (sometimes anyway as I have had on occasion the need to resupply with alcohol on Sunday) I usually have a supply that I have on hand to use on Sunday if desired. My question to our esteemed representatives: How does the ability to imbibe an alcoholic drink on Sunday diminish our moral fiber if it is purchased on Sunday or verses one that is purchased on Wednesday? Not only that, but if I purchase it at 1:01PM makes it okay but if I purchase it at 12:59PM makes it not okay? This kind of “reasoning” is why my respect/approval of politicians is dismal at best. Even for the ones that I have chosen to vote for!

By: DaveO

DaveO — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:53:33 +0000

Not sure if you’ve ever heard of them but there’s a very powerful lobbying group here in Ohio called Citizens for Community Values (CCV). I’ll leave you to ponder their mission and vision statements and let you decide for yourself if Mr. Wagner’s moral superiority is of his own experience or that of an organization who contributes mightily to a politician in the name of community values. Take note of the text, especially the part that says “…to reduce destructive behaviors contrary to those values…”

“Mission: Citizens for Community Values (CCV) exists to promote Judeo-Christian moral values, and to reduce destructive behaviors contrary to those values, through education, active community partnership, and individual empowerment at the local, state and national levels.

Vision: CCV is a grassroots organization of citizens who are concerned for the well-being of the community, the strength of its families, and the future of its children. We strive to be a leader in the restoration of those Judeo-Christian moral values upon which this country was founded in hopes of leaving a lasting legacy of citizens endeavoring to foster and maintain healthy, wholesome, safe, and happy communities.”

This can be found at http://www.ccv.org